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		<title>By: teageegeepea</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-87</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 23:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the points David Hackett Fischer made in Albion&#039;s Seed was that Frederick Jackson Turner&#039;s thesis about the frontier as a source of freedom was wrong, and that there was actually always a hierarchical elite of warrior chieftains.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the points David Hackett Fischer made in Albion&#8217;s Seed was that Frederick Jackson Turner&#8217;s thesis about the frontier as a source of freedom was wrong, and that there was actually always a hierarchical elite of warrior chieftains.</p>
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		<title>By: Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Updated News Digest May 3, 2008</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Updated News Digest May 3, 2008]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Let a Thousand Nations Bloom from Free Guptastan [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: sconzey</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-58</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, what?

As I said, this isn&#039;t without precedent. Hong Kong, and the JAFZ have for many years now been very very profitable enterprises in *exactly* this manner.

The speculative journey from free-port to pandemic needs a little more explaination on your part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, what?</p>
<p>As I said, this isn&#8217;t without precedent. Hong Kong, and the JAFZ have for many years now been very very profitable enterprises in *exactly* this manner.</p>
<p>The speculative journey from free-port to pandemic needs a little more explaination on your part.</p>
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		<title>By: John and Dagny Galt</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John and Dagny Galt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, we have absolutely no doubts as to the reactions and subsequent actions that would come against such publicly known Galt&#039;s Gulches.

Those Bogons who would oppose such colonies would secretly send artificially created super-bio-bugs(think avian flu/ebola/etc. mix) right into the heart of such enclaves.

It&#039;s not like Bogons haven&#039;t already experimented on vast populations of unsuspecting persons previously.

And really, how could you/would you EVER prove such a thing?

And even if you did substantiate your claim, it would only serve as a training tool for future Bogons.

Not that we&#039;re opposed to any and all discussions relating to freedom.

In conclusion, until each and every person refuses to be a victim of ANYONE, then such victimization will continue to be conceived between neighbors, nourished in villages, fed in cities, taught in counties, educated in states, and such another Bogon becomes the latest and greatest King.

All Hail The Obamanation!

Carry-On!

In Liberty And Freedom,
John and Dagny Galt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, we have absolutely no doubts as to the reactions and subsequent actions that would come against such publicly known Galt&#8217;s Gulches.</p>
<p>Those Bogons who would oppose such colonies would secretly send artificially created super-bio-bugs(think avian flu/ebola/etc. mix) right into the heart of such enclaves.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like Bogons haven&#8217;t already experimented on vast populations of unsuspecting persons previously.</p>
<p>And really, how could you/would you EVER prove such a thing?</p>
<p>And even if you did substantiate your claim, it would only serve as a training tool for future Bogons.</p>
<p>Not that we&#8217;re opposed to any and all discussions relating to freedom.</p>
<p>In conclusion, until each and every person refuses to be a victim of ANYONE, then such victimization will continue to be conceived between neighbors, nourished in villages, fed in cities, taught in counties, educated in states, and such another Bogon becomes the latest and greatest King.</p>
<p>All Hail The Obamanation!</p>
<p>Carry-On!</p>
<p>In Liberty And Freedom,<br />
John and Dagny Galt</p>
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		<title>By: GT</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly, Phantasm - the State is a depraved parasitic organism that has always been, and will always be, run in order to mulct the polity.

It was conceived in tyranny, and to this day relies on force and fraud in order to enable scumbags like Sarkozy, Cheney and Rudd to live in palaces.

I don&#039;t care HOW they are selected - by mob rule (voting) or more &#039;honestly&#039; (e.g., through violent coups d&#039;état) - nobody ever got me to sign a contract agreeign to be bound by the opinions of people whose only claim to legitimacy is that they have all the guns.

To paraphrase Diderot - man will be free when the last police sniper is strangled with the entrails of the last politician. (Then both cadavers can be fed to pigs).

AP/LP was specifically designed to undermine the state in its entirely, specifically to get rid of tyranny... but even above the state&#039;s encroachment upon liberty, wide-area industrial scale WAR is the primary thing that states do that must be curtailed. 

An anarchist society would never build a battleship, a cluster munition or a cruise missile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Phantasm &#8211; the State is a depraved parasitic organism that has always been, and will always be, run in order to mulct the polity.</p>
<p>It was conceived in tyranny, and to this day relies on force and fraud in order to enable scumbags like Sarkozy, Cheney and Rudd to live in palaces.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care HOW they are selected &#8211; by mob rule (voting) or more &#8216;honestly&#8217; (e.g., through violent coups d&#8217;état) &#8211; nobody ever got me to sign a contract agreeign to be bound by the opinions of people whose only claim to legitimacy is that they have all the guns.</p>
<p>To paraphrase Diderot &#8211; man will be free when the last police sniper is strangled with the entrails of the last politician. (Then both cadavers can be fed to pigs).</p>
<p>AP/LP was specifically designed to undermine the state in its entirely, specifically to get rid of tyranny&#8230; but even above the state&#8217;s encroachment upon liberty, wide-area industrial scale WAR is the primary thing that states do that must be curtailed. </p>
<p>An anarchist society would never build a battleship, a cluster munition or a cruise missile.</p>
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		<title>By: GT</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh - PS... this Gupta bloke has FAR too much to do with the Department of Killing Brown Innocents (the Pentagon).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh &#8211; PS&#8230; this Gupta bloke has FAR too much to do with the Department of Killing Brown Innocents (the Pentagon).</p>
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		<title>By: Phantasm</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phantasm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t want any state, no matter how small. They don&#039;t stay small. They are deadly, and they never stay within the aetherial boundaries set for them. Ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want any state, no matter how small. They don&#8217;t stay small. They are deadly, and they never stay within the aetherial boundaries set for them. Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: GT</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WSLEs seem satisfactory,despite being a little too state-like. 

They could add to their attractiveness by hosting the operational layer of anti-bogon betting pools (what Jim Bell called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Assassination Politics&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; but which I prefer to call &quot;Liberty Pools&quot;).

These pools are currently relatively low-psyton (despite aiming to cause death and maiming of state goons), since they currently hide themselves on FreeNet and in alt.anon.messages to avoid state retaliation. 

This requirement for clandestine operation prevents a vast array of liberty-seekers from giving voice to their chagrin at being slaves.

Despite relatively low participation, AP/LP has helped encourage internal security operatives to &#039;go slow&#039; in places as diverse as Zimbabwe, Thailand, Fiji and Ukraine... &#039;revolutions&#039; don&#039;t get off the ground if the KGB/Gestapo types are doing their jobs (infiltrating protest movements and crushing dissent before it gets organised).

It turns out that you don&#039;t have to kill ALL Gestapo-types (&#039;thug-bogons&#039;) to make quite a few of them behave themselves - a few, coupled with an information campaign aimed at their colleagues, provides the necessary chilling effect&#039;.

The aim is not the deaths and maimings per se - the aim is the degradation of the operational effectiveness of tyranny.

WSLEs should act as darknet seednodes, which would enable FreeNet to become far more conformable to the existing internets tubes. That would be awesome, since AP/LP would then &#039;go mainstream&#039;.

Now you need secure pseudonymous payments... oh wait - we already have it.

Cheerio


GT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WSLEs seem satisfactory,despite being a little too state-like. </p>
<p>They could add to their attractiveness by hosting the operational layer of anti-bogon betting pools (what Jim Bell called <a href="http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm" rel="nofollow"><b><i>&#8220;Assassination Politics&#8221;</i></b></a> but which I prefer to call &#8220;Liberty Pools&#8221;).</p>
<p>These pools are currently relatively low-psyton (despite aiming to cause death and maiming of state goons), since they currently hide themselves on FreeNet and in alt.anon.messages to avoid state retaliation. </p>
<p>This requirement for clandestine operation prevents a vast array of liberty-seekers from giving voice to their chagrin at being slaves.</p>
<p>Despite relatively low participation, AP/LP has helped encourage internal security operatives to &#8216;go slow&#8217; in places as diverse as Zimbabwe, Thailand, Fiji and Ukraine&#8230; &#8216;revolutions&#8217; don&#8217;t get off the ground if the KGB/Gestapo types are doing their jobs (infiltrating protest movements and crushing dissent before it gets organised).</p>
<p>It turns out that you don&#8217;t have to kill ALL Gestapo-types (&#8216;thug-bogons&#8217;) to make quite a few of them behave themselves &#8211; a few, coupled with an information campaign aimed at their colleagues, provides the necessary chilling effect&#8217;.</p>
<p>The aim is not the deaths and maimings per se &#8211; the aim is the degradation of the operational effectiveness of tyranny.</p>
<p>WSLEs should act as darknet seednodes, which would enable FreeNet to become far more conformable to the existing internets tubes. That would be awesome, since AP/LP would then &#8216;go mainstream&#8217;.</p>
<p>Now you need secure pseudonymous payments&#8230; oh wait &#8211; we already have it.</p>
<p>Cheerio</p>
<p>GT</p>
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		<title>By: sconzey</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sconzey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a better suggestion actually -- proximity to the US increases tourism potential, however isn&#039;t the Mexican government politically quite sympathetic to the US? And doesn&#039;t Tijuana currently dominate many of the markets that would make such a venture profitable?

I live in the UK, so I&#039;m kinda seeing Tijuana to the US as being a little like Amsterdam is to us. Is this a gross over-simplification?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a better suggestion actually &#8212; proximity to the US increases tourism potential, however isn&#8217;t the Mexican government politically quite sympathetic to the US? And doesn&#8217;t Tijuana currently dominate many of the markets that would make such a venture profitable?</p>
<p>I live in the UK, so I&#8217;m kinda seeing Tijuana to the US as being a little like Amsterdam is to us. Is this a gross over-simplification?</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Thomas</title>
		<link>http://athousandnations.com/2009/04/21/free-guptastan/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great idea.  I pick the southern tip of Baja as a starting point.  Great weather, nice people, airport, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea.  I pick the southern tip of Baja as a starting point.  Great weather, nice people, airport, etc.</p>
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