Comments on: Secession Week Blogging, Monday, Intro To Secession http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/ Towards a Cambrian Explosion in Government Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:14:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Independence Day Round Up « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-2249 Independence Day Round Up « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:50:08 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-2249 [...] Monday – Secession Goes Mainstream, Intro To Secession [...] [...] Monday – Secession Goes Mainstream, Intro To Secession [...]

]]> By: Join The Seasteading Institute for Upcoming: Secession Week Blogging 2010! | Austrian Economics Blog http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-2072 Join The Seasteading Institute for Upcoming: Secession Week Blogging 2010! | Austrian Economics Blog Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:05:44 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-2072 [...] Intro to Secession: Good, Bad or Indifferent? [...] [...] Intro to Secession: Good, Bad or Indifferent? [...]

]]> By: Secession Week 2010: Independence is Better Than Revolution « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-2050 Secession Week 2010: Independence is Better Than Revolution « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:39:26 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-2050 [...] of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. Last year’s event produced some very interesting material here and elsewhere on the topics of American secession [...] [...] of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. Last year’s event produced some very interesting material here and elsewhere on the topics of American secession [...]

]]> By: Upcoming: Secession Week Blogging 2010! « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-2036 Upcoming: Secession Week Blogging 2010! « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom Fri, 25 Jun 2010 02:19:35 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-2036 [...] Intro to Secession: Good, Bad or Indifferent? [...] [...] Intro to Secession: Good, Bad or Indifferent? [...]

]]> By: Time Magazine Covers Secessionists in Vermont « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-1391 Time Magazine Covers Secessionists in Vermont « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:05:36 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-1391 [...] That poll was taken three years ago during the Bush presidency, so who knows how much support there is now. Still, you have to admire the push, especially by greeny-lefties in a New England state with good ski slopes. You can read the Vermont Commons here. And we’ve previously written on secession during our annual “Secession Week” blogging extravaganza. [...] [...] That poll was taken three years ago during the Bush presidency, so who knows how much support there is now. Still, you have to admire the push, especially by greeny-lefties in a New England state with good ski slopes. You can read the Vermont Commons here. And we’ve previously written on secession during our annual “Secession Week” blogging extravaganza. [...]

]]> By: Just My Biased Opinion http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-349 Just My Biased Opinion Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:04:17 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-349 Oops, forgot - here is my own scattered and loose "contribution"... http://justmybiasedopinion.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-secession-and-so-forth.html Oops, forgot – here is my own scattered and loose “contribution”…

http://justmybiasedopinion.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-secession-and-so-forth.html

]]> By: Just My Biased Opinion http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-348 Just My Biased Opinion Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:26:57 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-348 Hope this event of yours proves successful - in whatever way. :) Hope this event of yours proves successful – in whatever way. :)

]]> By: Dwight Johnson http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-347 Dwight Johnson Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:46:22 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-347 Secession is a big topic. Where to begin? Once we had a federal government. "We" were the thirteen original (and those that were subsequently added) free and independent states who agreed to form a federation, first with the Articles of Federation, then with the US Constitution. When ratifying that Constitution, several of the states specifically reserved the right to secede. This right was only abridged during what is commonly called the Civil War, but which might more appropriately be called the Southern War of Independence. Our secession from England was based on the same principles that the Southern states used to secede from the US. But, since he winners write the history, the war was called "Civil" though no one was contesting the same territory. The end of the Civil War was also the end of the federation, since from that time none dared secede from the "Union". Secession is necessary to the life of a healthy federation, since a federation must incorporate the idea of voluntary union. So, with regard to what was agreed to when the US Constitution was ratified, secession was the right of every free and independent state. The tenth amendment, now a dead letter, interpreted by courts and congresses into meaninglessness, was meant to preserve that spirit and reality of independence. So, at one level, I agree with the right and concept of secession, specifically as it relates to the resuscitation of the federal government established by the states by means of the US Constitution. On the other hand... The founding fathers, and most who have come after them, continue to see sovereignty in terms of territory. This is problematic. We no longer have kings with divine right to govern. The idea of social contract continues to apply, but really has no internal consistency. So where does sovereignty lie? And where does the right to govern come from? The Declaration of Independence gave us a clue when it said, "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed". If we look at the human person as the proper domain of sovereignty, then the person, by his or her consent, is able to give government its right to govern. Any approach of sovereignty from the top down will end in totalitarianism. Sovereignty and the right of a government to govern springing up from the human person ensures peace in society. But this leaves me with a problem about secession, at least on the basis of territory. For in any territory which chooses to exercise its right to secede, there will be those individuals who do not wish to secede. It is for this reason that I agree with the philosophy of panarchy, the right of personal secession. Acknowledging the right of every person to secede also requires the acknowledgement that governments must be non-territorial. The secession of territories is better than the denial of this right. But we should be looking beyond that concept, looking at the person, and the human right to secede. Please see my website, <a href="http://www.panarchy-sj.com" rel="nofollow">Panarchy South Jersey (www.panarchy-sj.com)</a>, to see this idea developed further. Secession is a big topic. Where to begin? Once we had a federal government. “We” were the thirteen original (and those that were subsequently added) free and independent states who agreed to form a federation, first with the Articles of Federation, then with the US Constitution. When ratifying that Constitution, several of the states specifically reserved the right to secede. This right was only abridged during what is commonly called the Civil War, but which might more appropriately be called the Southern War of Independence. Our secession from England was based on the same principles that the Southern states used to secede from the US. But, since he winners write the history, the war was called “Civil” though no one was contesting the same territory. The end of the Civil War was also the end of the federation, since from that time none dared secede from the “Union”.

Secession is necessary to the life of a healthy federation, since a federation must incorporate the idea of voluntary union. So, with regard to what was agreed to when the US Constitution was ratified, secession was the right of every free and independent state. The tenth amendment, now a dead letter, interpreted by courts and congresses into meaninglessness, was meant to preserve that spirit and reality of independence.

So, at one level, I agree with the right and concept of secession, specifically as it relates to the resuscitation of the federal government established by the states by means of the US Constitution.

On the other hand… The founding fathers, and most who have come after them, continue to see sovereignty in terms of territory. This is problematic. We no longer have kings with divine right to govern. The idea of social contract continues to apply, but really has no internal consistency. So where does sovereignty lie? And where does the right to govern come from? The Declaration of Independence gave us a clue when it said, “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”. If we look at the human person as the proper domain of sovereignty, then the person, by his or her consent, is able to give government its right to govern. Any approach of sovereignty from the top down will end in totalitarianism. Sovereignty and the right of a government to govern springing up from the human person ensures peace in society.

But this leaves me with a problem about secession, at least on the basis of territory. For in any territory which chooses to exercise its right to secede, there will be those individuals who do not wish to secede. It is for this reason that I agree with the philosophy of panarchy, the right of personal secession. Acknowledging the right of every person to secede also requires the acknowledgement that governments must be non-territorial.

The secession of territories is better than the denial of this right. But we should be looking beyond that concept, looking at the person, and the human right to secede. Please see my website, Panarchy South Jersey (www.panarchy-sj.com), to see this idea developed further.

]]> By: cameronp1013 http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-340 cameronp1013 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:58:02 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-340 If possible, see my post http://citizencam.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/neo-secessionism-rising/ taken from the same WSJ article - which I also found quite salient. Great way to kick off Secession Week, Patri! If possible, see my post http://citizencam.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/neo-secessionism-rising/ taken from the same WSJ article – which I also found quite salient.

Great way to kick off Secession Week, Patri!

]]> By: Upcoming: Secession Week Blogging! « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom http://athousandnations.com/2009/06/29/secession-week-blogging-monday-intro-to-secession/#comment-339 Upcoming: Secession Week Blogging! « Let A Thousand Nations Bloom Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:47:37 +0000 http://athousandnations.com/?p=304#comment-339 [...] Monday – Secession Goes Mainstream, Intro To Secession [...] [...] Monday – Secession Goes Mainstream, Intro To Secession [...]

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